• Proton VPN has hit back at Canada’s proposed Bill C-22

• The proposed legislation could require VPNs to log user metadata

• NordVPN and Windscribe have also slammed the bill

  • Doomsider@lemmy.world
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    18 hours ago

    Oh look Proton is trying to score some PR bullshit when they will comply with the law just like they comply with the laws in their country. They are a greedy corporation who sells security theatre.

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      Firstly Proton is a non-profit.

      Secondly security and privacy are two different things (albeit their connected).

      Thirdly no company, for-profit or otherwise, is going to break the law for you.

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        There’s following the law, and then there’s giving away data to government agency just because they asked nicely, and could MAYBE get a warrant in the future. It is the equivalent of letting police into your house without a warrant, because maybe they’ll get one.

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        You produmb defenders can’t even get basic facts correct.

        “Proton uses a unique hybrid model. The services are provided by a for-profit Swiss corporation called Proton AG with a primary shareholder that is non-profit.”

        So dumb it hurts, but by all means keep giving them your money. I heard they just doubled their price. Twice the price for the same stupidity.

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            5 hours ago

            Come on guys, I was just messing around with all the dumb and stupid stuff. Don’t prove me right, please.

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            Oh don’t worry, I did this to Microsoft losers long ago, then Facebook, Google, Tesla, etc.

            Talking shit about garbage services and companies is just a hobby of mine. Why so many bootlickers come scurrying out though has always been a surprise to me.

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              It’s because people don’t like to be publicly proven wrong or humilliated or whatever you want to call it. Unless they come to that conclusion themselves or you can express your point in more polite and less preachy manner, you’ll always get significant pushback.

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      You’re the kind of guy who confuses and conflates security, privacy, and anonymity all the while somehow expecting companies to operate beyond the law.

      You can’t make this shit up. Hahahaha

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        Produmb I guess. You do know they had to change their marketing material and backpedal several times already.

        They love to blame the end user for their inability to get their act together. For instance, storing credit card information on their servers when they don’t have to and if they really respected privacy they wouldn’t. They love to pay that lip service.

        I even read an article they published where they insinuated turning on logging was more beneficial than anonymity. Just plain stupid honestly.

        People who think that throwing money at a problem are welcome to play security theatre with them. Another sucker is born everyday.

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        13 hours ago

        Yes, that is why them advertising as a privacy respecting company in a country whose laws force them to respect privacy has always been dumb. Literally every email provider has to follow the same law there hence their security theatre to sell overpriced access to email and their ever growing walled garden.

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          They do not have to comply with Canadian laws unless they want to operate in Canada. Then they have to comply.

            • imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              2 hours ago

              China and Russia - Proton VPN does not work there.

              USA - it works. Is there some laws I dont know about that USA has in order to gather data from VPN providers?

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                It works sometimes, and Proton did not stop providing services there, you can buy their vpn, the government just blocks the protocols.

                The US has a law that may require you to add backdoors to your software. Do they have to comply with that one in your opinion?

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                  May and must are two different words. May they implement or must they implement?

                  Ability to get a subscription of Proton VPN in China and Russia doesn’t necessarily mean that they are not blocked. If you can get a subscription to a service your country desperately is trying to block, it is probably not in a straight “go to website, pay, get service” way. You probably had to find workarounds to get it. That does not count as “operating in this country”.

                  It is like “Amazon does not operate in this country”, but you got a friend in the one which does, so you just order form him and ask him to send goods by post.

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                    Seems you are confused how those blocks work so let’s talk about their services that are definitely not blocked like mail. You can easily and legally buy their mail service in those countries. Do they have to comply with their laws with their mail service?

                    Didn’t understand your answer about the US laws. If some judge in the US decides that Proton need to make a backdoor, what happens then?