cross-posted from: https://discuss.online/post/34255100

Thought I’d create a distinct thread from the previous one asking about daily use, because I really do want to hear more on people’s pain points. Great to know people are generally sounding pretty positive in those posts who recently switched, but want to know your difficulties as well! This way old and new users can share their thoughts, hopefully to inspire a respectful discussion.

  • Bobby Turkalino@sh.itjust.works
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    I’ve used a few different distros over the years: Debian, Ubuntu, Neon, openSUSE Leap

    Never once has a major version upgrade ever gone 100% successfully. Even on a bog standard system with no 3rd party repos or niche hardware. I don’t know why it’s still so difficult

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    2 days ago

    In my case is Kernel Anticheats that work exclusively on Windows. It’s a pain to switch to Windows just to play those games. Obviously the fastes way to fix this is to directly not play those games anymore.

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    For me it’s the fact that there’s no “perfect setup” for anything. This likely only applies to my specific machine (kids, don’t buy an asus rog strix, trust me) but I can never get the “ok this setup is perfect, everything works exactly how I like it, I can’t complain”

    What I mean by this is for example KDE Plasma 6. All my apps and everything work on it. games work flawlessly, all my dev tools, great. so I should be happy right? no. workspaces suck on multi-monitor setups, no native auto tiling and the third party script that does it is kinda wonky. Ok fair enough lets use something else like say Niri or Sway or Hyprland whatever. cool I got my tiling, I have my vim nav, awesome right? no certain games don’t work with these WMs as they all have issues with mouse constraints on certain xwayland stuff that KDE has managed to solve.

    OK fair enough lets try an x11 WM. nope can’t do it on my laptop as I have both an integrated AMD gpu and and discrete Nivida gpu therefore x11 can’t handle it as far as gaming goes.

    There’s a few other things like that. Like I want to use something that isn’t packaged for whatever distro so you go with the app image of it but it’s pretty much useless since it won’t integrate with your system. i.e. the appimage of Tabby. Or waiting on a package to get approved but the maintainer drops out at the last minute so either you have to pick it up or wait on someone else to which essentially resets the process (yay nix pkgs).

    Essentially with linux in most cases the focus always seems to be on fixing the complicated things while ignoring the easy user experience things. Like workspaces shouldn’t suck as much as they do on Plasma and the “fix” coming next month isn’t going to improve things that much. oh boy I can pin a single app on my second monitor…that doesn’t fix the dreadful workspace experience on Plasma. ALL they have to do is allow independant sets of workspaces per monitor. that’s it. that’s all I want. but the devs at KDE, just like their opinions on tiling, will say “well we don’t use workspaces like that so you won’t either”.

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    Energy management is the part that still complicates things most for me. Rfkill not being managed correctly. Machines that suspend but don’t hibernate, or that hibernate but don’t suspend. Laptops that de-suspend during transport. Batteries that overdrain during suspend. Bluetooth. And most annoying of all, NVidia (insert Torvalds iconic scene).

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    I use Fedora on a laptop, NixOS on my PC and Debian for the servers. It is better than Windows in almost every way. Except:

    When connecting a bluetooth headset to the Fedora laptop, lock it for a break and unlock it again, the headset won’t work. Only a few times bluetooth on and off helps, sometimes a whole restart. And connecting two devices the same time (like mouse + headset) can lead to both not working.

    On NixOS/Hyprland Drag and Drop feels very wonky, for example re-arranging the toolbar in FreeCAD by drag and dropping the elements is more of a game of luck, if everything ends up in the place where it should be.

    Getting the AMD-GPU to work with darktable always requires some time of tinkering, after setting up a new OS.

  • Kaiserschmarrn@feddit.org
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    When my PC goes into sleep or hibernate, my keyboard won’t work after it wakes up. I have to unplug and reconnect my keyboard every… single… time…

    Except for this issue, my PC works perfectly fine and better than Windows in nearly every way.

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    I can’t figure out how to run game mods that are arbitrary .exe programs that are meant to hook into a running game. Specifically, otis_inf camera tools with, for example, Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth. I’ve tried protontricks but its so damn complicated and poorly documented I don’t really know how.

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    Games with anti-cheat don’t work.

    Secureboot doesn’t like GRUB.

    Solidworks doesn’t run natively on linux, neither does my Sketchup Pro program.

    SteamVR doesn’t run well on linux

    What does work that I use regularly? My older DVD drives work fine, ripping my music and dvd/blu-rays works well and seamlessly with multiple instances of the programs running simultaneously. The typical FOSS stuff I use is a no-brainer, from Gimp to Blender to Libreoffice.

    But for the stuff I work with most and the games I play most often? It just doesn’t work well or at all.

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    I have to turn on my screen before turning on the PC otherwise Linux doesn’t appear on the screen.

    Also if the screen goes into standby In often have to restart my computer.

    I have Nvidia so not sure if thats the reason

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    All my games work like shit :(

    And it’s kindof my fault because my hardware is outdated but while on Windows Hogwarts Legacy worked, in pain but worked, and Fallout 76 was fully stable and smooth.

    On linux (Nobara), Hogwarts CTD’s on startup (shaders or something fails) and I had to lower setting in fallout to get it stable enough to play.

    Bit I just began my adventure with linux as main OS so there’s still a lot to learn. One of stabilising things for Fallout was, for example, forcing dx12. Without it it froze my whole os sometimes. :(

    Oh and KDEConnect reports it crashed for some reason if it cannot immediately connect to my phone. Which was funny until notification spam.

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    On my phone. I would love to be able to run a Linux system or at least a de-googled android. But some apps I need access to don’t seem to be working without Google services and stuff like that si I’m stuck using a stock Google (Pixel) android.

    Beside that, everything is and has been working smoothly on my computers since I switched from Apple to Linux Mint, 5 or 6 years ago. My only regret is to not have switched way earlier.

    I do miss Spotlight. All the alternatives I have tested fall short one way or the other but giving up on Spotlight is not that bad of a deal considering all what Free Software, GNU and Linux have offered me in exchange. I would not want to switch back.

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      It is interesting to me that at this point, because of Waydroid, the primary things keeping me from using a Linux phone are the same things keeping me from de-googling more of my current phone. When running LineageOS in the past, I couldn’t reliably use RCS. Plenty of apps have issues with google’s Play Integrity shenanigans.

      Once I hit a point where Im ok with running a degoogled android, I’m basically ready for just going straight to Linux on phone.

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        Waydroid

        I wouldn’t recommend using Waydroid, it basically runs Google Play services and other stuff as root on your machine.

        Instead, it would be nice if we had seamless integration of virtual VMs including Android like Qubes OS does this.

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      I have not personally encountered a Google-based app I could not run within Sandboxing google play services on a GrapheneOS running Pixel phone. So, fwiw, it is working in my experience these last three-ish years.

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      Have you tried GrapheneOS (since you have a Pixel)? I put it on mine, and it works great. It treats Google services as just another app, so you can control what it has access to while also putting it into a sandbox. Plus, with the user profiles, I have further segregated Google away from my data. I have a profile solely dedicated to apps that require Google services, and so far, I’ve had only minor issues (which may just be how I’m setting my security, so it could just be a me issue).

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        Literally the only issues I have with Graphene are that my banking app won’t work and I can’t add my debit card to the wallet app. But my bank has a website, and I can still carry my card in my real wallet so I’m not really fussed.

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    Multi monitor still has some quirks from time to time. Don’t take me wrong, it’s already much better than just 2-3 years ago even, but…still has quirks. Specially with different DPI. Sometimes apps get very…wonky when moved from a monitor with a normal 100% scaling to one where it has 150% scaling or so. And on return, it’s already messed up. Some start already in the wrong scaling with super tiny text. Or text double the size. Let’s just say, sometimes scaling gets tricky.

    There’s also still a lot of games that don’t like being moved to another monitor, and don’t even give an option for it. Even when pushed to the non-main monitor by OS key combo (meta-shift-left, for example), they tend to rearrange themselves again back to the main monitor when changing from title screen to in-game screen, and things like that. So…still slightly wonky. Light years ahead of where we were just 3 years ago…but still wonky sometimes.

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    My biggest problem with Linux is security. I want a relatively idiot proof setup like in Microsoft and Apple products. I do not to have to minutely setup the firewall or have to go into the terminal to run a virus scan.

    Other than that I am not too demanding of my system I nearly never have a problem although recently the game A Hat in Time makes my pc kernal panic.

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    Is this feedback for devs?

    My 144hz monitor randomly runs at 60hz with no way of changing it apart from restarting several times.

    I have a TV connected in addition to my monitor (for lazy gaming or watching series), but this causes various small but annoying problems. I can’t unlock my PC without moving the mouse over to my monitor, which invariably spawns on the TV, and I have to guess how to move it over (left/right alignment is also inconsistent). It also turns the mouse pointer massive on the monitor, presumably because the TV has a higher resolution. Despite marking the monitor as the main display, more than half of my applications launch on the TV. Except the ones I actually want there, of course. If my tv is off before booting is complete, and I turn it on later, my background disappears, and sound is routed to the terrible built-in monitor speakers instead of either the tv audio I use while it’s on, or the actually good headphones I use when it’s not.

    At some point my kernel randomly broke because the driver of my WiFi adapter was somehow incompatible. It was a massive pain to figure out the problem and fix it.

    As a causal user these are definitely points that came out worse than the competition functionality-wise, and since most of the general public will not opt for a lesser experience for the sake of idealism, this type of issue probably prevents other people who just want to use their PCs from switching.

    Edit: it was also a massive pain to set up a Korean keyboard layout, in Windows you just select it and you’re done. In Ubuntu, you do the same and nothing changes. I don’t even remember what it was that actually fixed it, but I tried a lot of guides that didn’t work.

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    As much as if saddens me to write it: the enterprise bullshit.

    I’m not allowed to use Linux at work because it’s more complicated than the out of the box experience of MacOS and windows in terms of remote management, encryption enforcement, company certificates and all this useless bullshit.

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      Some companies allow specific Linux distributions (like RHEL) only. Maybe that’s something for your case too? At least there is “Enterprise” in “Red Hat Enterprise Linux” ;-)

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      yeah corporate environments continue to be a pain point. IT wants centralised management a la intune/GPE, i want to be able to use proper terminal tools for automation.

      last time it came to a head i moved into a vm and refused to come out for two years.

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      And I’m not sure why Linux doesn’t excel in a centrally managed environment, since it descends from an OS that was designed from the ground up to be used by many users in an enterprise environment.

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          Office, teams, SSO, SharePoint… You get a very interesting package of features from Microsoft of you are a company. And most integrations with services exist for MS SSO, so its sadly easy.

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        Desktop management wasn’t, and isn’t, a priority. Managing fleets of servers has been the focus, and the Linux vendors make most of their money selling server distros.

        It can be done, but it has to be built using the raw tools available. This is a strength and a weakness. Strength because it’s super flexible, and a weakness because random IT person has to know what they’re doing.

        There are some projects like FreeIPA, Gnome FleetCommander, SaltStack, and Foreman which have parts. There’s nothing turn key like Intune or Jamf though. Plus this is all based on on-prem stuff. We’re not even touching on Entra replacements.

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          There are a few closer to turnkey solutions available now, scalefusion & 42gears to name a couple of providers.

          Often times it’s more about visibility rather than absolute control - tools like osquery support Linux as well.

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            Interesting. I’ll check those out. 🙂

            I’ve looked at osquery. It was all the rage for a minute in the monitoring industry when Facebook released it, and then it didn’t really go anywhere.

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        Really just needs one vendor to provide a unified way of configuring and managing a fleet of laptops/desktops. All of the bits exist, just needs someone to bring it all together

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      About 15 years ago I used to run my work desktop Windows in a VMware instance on Linux. We had Redhat and VMware licenses too use. I swear it ran faster than on bare metal for some reason. I used VMware’s virtual apps for Outlook and IE.

      These days i just run what they hand me. No point getting on the bad side of the admins.