• Mantzy81@aussie.zone
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      Honestly I wouldn’t touch Apple products with a bargepole. I dislike closed ecosystems

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        I always end up with MacBooks after startups and love to have something I can just pick up and use whereas my PC is my command center. Most of my shit is web or local web services so just need a Mozilla terminal. Also, I can’t fathom buying one out of pocket. I’ve also never had an iPhone, it doesn’t make sense to my brain.

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          So…if you’re just using web stuff, you could probably save a heap by using a Chromebook. That’s what my wife’s personal laptop is and is perfect for web stuff (and has the option of Android apps too, like Mozilla). It’s not her only computer though.

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        You’d rather be spied on constantly by the largest panopticon ever created, because they allow sideloading.

        Honestly this is voting for Trump over Kamala; we need a viable alternative. Why have they taken personal computing from us?

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          You can deGoogle Android if you want, hopefully better alternatives, that don’t suck, like Linux Phone™ 🙏 arrive before too long.

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              other options besides graphene exist, like lineage OS that work on a ton of different phones. and sure graphene requires google hardware but nobody says you have to buy the hardware from google direct. buying used is different than buying from google

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                It’s also an option many people would be fine with. I’m okay with Google having my money. Paying companies for products is perfectly fine. I just don’t want them to have my data and invade my privacy

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          No, I’d rather use my device like I want to use my device instead of how I’m told to use it. I don’t need to sideload on this device but glad I can if and when I want to. I prefer having a computer with me rather than a purposely stunted device kept that way to sell other devices in the ecosystem.

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            You say it’s purposely stunted, I say it has guardrails that saves me hours and hours of family IT support time un-fucking my elderly parents phones. This was something I’d have to do every single time I was home when we had android phones.

            I would dump Apple in a heartbeat if something better existed. They’re not good but they’re the best for my personal scenario of the current options.

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              You really shouldn’t be so downvoted for sharing your experience. While not ideal it’s valid and understandable.

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                It happens if you express any positive sentiment towards Apple. I don’t give a shit, downvotes matter not.

                I don’t need my phone to be a completely open computer, I have a computer and a server for that. I need a communications appliance, and since I’m the family IT guy, I need the lowest bullshit device my boomer parents can operate. My parents are not going to run some high privacy custom ROM because I’m not going to troubleshoot their problems. I realize that those ROMs are objectively better if you’re only considering the phone, but I basically have to manage a fleet of devices, and it’s easier troubleshooting if I’m also using the same. I don’t love Apple, it’s just easier.

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          So you’d rather be spies on by the formerly largest panopticon ever created AND not be able to side load?

          If you think Apple is some paragon of privacy you might want to do some research on that lol.

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          Were being spied on regardless, better to choose the option that allows one to do the most with it. If I could throw together my own phone and run a Linux variant on then I fucken would, but as it phone hardware is ass and Linux mobile doesn’t exist for my phone.

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            You can’t logic people out of an emotional decision. The hatred of Apple runs deep.

            The obviousness of this is how Android users troll Apple discussions but Apple users don’t troll Android discussions.

            They have insanely strong opinions on what other’s choices that it borderline religious.

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        It’s better than the alternatives, unfortunately. I really want to dump Apple; the products are waning in quality and the company is spending a lot of time genuflecting for king tangerine. But it just works.

        “Just install grapheneOS” my brother in Christ, I have no time or interest in fucking up with the primary communication device I rely on to reach family, friends, and work. I don’t have time for the hobbies I want to do let alone adding work-adjacent activities under the cloak of a hobby.

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          Installing graphene was not like flashing a ROM ten years ago. You just follow the simple steps on the web installer.

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          The ecosystem is really seamless, especially with a MacBook and Apple watch in the mix.

          Though I don’t think there is any winning in the smartphone space. There is a duopoly and even if you personally use graphineOS you still are benefitting and helping the Google ecosystem by using Android apps.

          Sadly I don’t think we can “vote with our wallets” on smartphones. We need legal legislation that forces both Apple and Google to be consumer friendly.

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            Agreed. And someone on this side of the Atlantic with the teeth to bite Apple’s face off when they pull shit like they did with right to repair or not allowing progressive web apps.

            “You need to let end users be able to repair your devices.”

            “Okay we will sell a $700 repair ‘kit’ and each replacement part is $1000 and also they’re hardware locked to the original device so you can’t reuse older devices for parts. BTW you need our certification.”

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          Nothing would prevent you from communicating with a Graphene OS phone. It’s a smartphone OS, not compiling Arch here…

          But use whatever excuse you can find to stay in the Apple ecosystem, that’s fine.

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            Perhaps the parent commenter has apps they need to run for work? I know Microsoft Authenticator isn’t supported on Graphene, which is admittedly bullshit but it’s a requirement if you work in the government or high security industry like utilities. If that’s the case they should be given a work phone, but companies don’t do that most of the time in my experience.

            Or perhaps they’ve had a bad experience with an older version. I know that Ubuntu Mobile couldn’t even make calls on a lot of devices for a while. I recently had an experience where DTMF signaling didn’t work, which meant I couldn’t navigate phone trees to do things like get prescriptions filled.

            Point being, there are lots of real reasons folks are stuck in their predicament.

            The temptation to be snarky is strong, but we risk hurting imperfect allies instead of fighting our real enemies.

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            It totally could and probably would. I am a phone OS tinkerer myself, but the above poster is right that it is a lot of hobbyist type tinkering and you can brick your device and fuck it up so you can’t communicate with your friends and family.

            I agree with the main sentiment that these alternative OSs for phones and computers are a lot better in a lot of ways, but we are unwise to act like getting your computer or phone that way is that easy. Trying to get an alternative OS working well on a device can very easily consume an entire waking day or more, and bricking is not impossible, especially with phones.

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          Just buy a Fairphone from Murena with /e/OS preinstalled. You don’t have to do anything yourself. It mainly works like a phone without any issues, all the features I need work on it and I didn’t have to install it manually and supported the devs

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        I am in it for not too long, I wanted a Framework notebook but they didn’t sell in my country so I couldn’t purchase it through my business so I went with macbook and iphone next to because, why not.

        I generally don’t care much about things like in the op news tbh, as if I have a subscription for something I use it directly from the website

        And stuff like the seemless integration when switching from my phone to my MacBook with my airpods is fucking great.

        but I am not a normal techie, I am waaay overindexed on user experience over a lot of things, for example I pay for spotify because the Ux is great for me, I refuse to pay for streaming devices because my own plex/jellyfin server is a much better UX.

        I am also refusing to buy cars without physical buttons.