Dbzero Governance Vote Post https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/63525728

Ahoy mateys!

A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.

But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel’s ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. …

More context

Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.

As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again. …

Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that’s the better option, then we’ll do that instead.

In the end the Post had around 70% of support by dbzer0 users, who in the comments also called for defederation.

Here is a Link to Dbzer0 instances tab https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances where if you go to blocked instances you can see fedddit.org is now defederated

i dont think feddit has made a post now, but when they do i will add it

  • Unruffled [they/them]@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    14·
    3 days ago

    We all get why Germany has strong laws against antisemitism, given its history. That doesn’t mean German support towards Israel need to be unconditional, which is what has happened, in effect. The left, the right and the center in Germany all seem to agree on one thing… unconditional support for Israel.

    “German history and our responsibility arising from the Holocaust make it our duty to stand up for the existence and security of the State of Israel.” – Olaf Scholz, October 2024.

    You are basically taking the same line as Scholz, despite the fact Israel has proven itself to be a fascist ethnostate that seems intent on genociding all its neighbours. Anyone who is still committed to justifying or both-sidesing the Israeli genocide of Palestinians needs a smack in the head imo.

    I do accept the fact you have acknowledged the genocide. But then why are you so hung up about folk making equivalences between fascist genocidal Israelis and fascist genocidal Nazis? It’s about the most obvious comparison one could make. Arguing that it’s a false equivalence is simply another way to excuse the atrocities committed by Israel. Statements like “Israel has done a few bad things, but they are nowhere near as bad as the Nazis, so you mustn’t make a direct comparison” are nothing more than genocide apologia. Just because Israel has done a “smaller” genocide (so far) doesn’t mean shit to me. Zionist ideology is just as reprehensible as Nazi ideology.

    More than 75,000 Palestinians were killed in the first 15 months of Israel’s military assault in Gaza, a figure far higher than the 49,000 deaths local health officials announced at the time, says a new study by The Lancet Global Health medical journal. The peer-reviewed study, published on Wednesday, found that women, children and the elderly comprised some 56.2% of violent deaths in Gaza during that period, a composition that it said roughly aligned with reporting by Gaza’s health ministry. […]

    “The combined evidence suggests that, as of Jan 5, 2025, 3–4% of the population of the Gaza Strip had been killed violently and there have been a substantial number of non-violent deaths caused indirectly by the conflict,” the authors wrote. Source

    • Azzu@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      24·
      2 days ago

      I’m not even arguing for the things you’re talking about, I’m just trying to bring some understanding. In literally none of the things I talked about, nor in what the feddit.org admins talked about, was there anything about keeping up unconditional support for Israel.

      • mathemachristian [he/him]@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        61·
        2 days ago

        any support of pissrael is zionism. Everyone knows what pissrael stands for, what it does, this is like talking about “unconditional support for nazi germany” in 1943. No amount of conditions is gonna make support for a genocidal apartheid settler colony appropriate.

        Death to Pissrael, Death to the united Schutzstaffeln of ameriKKKa, Death to genocidesmany, Death to the Nazi-American Treatler Organisation, Long live the global south and the proletariat.

        • Azzu@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          33·
          2 days ago

          There is plenty of proletariat within the USA, Germany and Israel. Should they live long or die?

            • Azzu@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              24·
              2 days ago

              The countries you wish death for are roughly 90% proletariat. How can you want death for the one, but not the other?

              • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.mlEnglish
                52·
                2 days ago

                This is vulgar class reductionism. The US and Germany are both imperialist countries that bribe their proletarians with a share of the spoils of international plunder. Israel is a genocidal settler-colony that serves as a forward base for imperialist countries in West Asia. Not only is this vulgar class reductionism, but it’s intentional misinterpretation. Saying “death to xyz country” means elimination of the state and the system, not genocide on the people of said country.

                • Azzu@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                  13·
                  2 days ago

                  To the first part, this is no reductionism or whatever, I’m just asking a question.

                  To the second part, thank you for explaining your terminology, for me “death to [country]” meant “to the whole country, including the people”. I would have used “dismantle the government of [country]” instead, to say what you mean.

                  • mathemachristian [he/him]@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
                    2·
                    2 days ago

                    The point behind using "death to " is (for me at least)

                    a) kill any respect that got indoctrinated to the nationstate. I spit on genocidesmany and on pissrael

                    b) acknowledge that said “dismantling” will be a very violent affair

              • mathemachristian [he/him]@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
                41·
                2 days ago

                90% proletariat

                as someone who has to live in germany: X

                but regardless, I wish death on germany and a long life for the proletariat.

                this isn’t confusing unless you’re some nationalist that confuses the administrative entity for it’s population.