• Ulrich@feddit.org
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    4 days ago

    It’s too bad they were too terrible at writing legislation to be successful.

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      4 days ago

      What exactly do you mean?

      Sure, nothing is perfect, but EU legislation has generally been quite good, from the GDPR to the DMA.

      The challenges are more related to enforcement - rules on the book are worth nothing if we don’t force companies to live by them. In this respect we’ve seen some pretty sloppy behaviour, but also some victories. It’s not a one-sided story.

      Another challenge is of course to keep passing good laws, and to avoid terrible ones. Chat control needs to be stopped. Stopping it is a matter of convincing national governments it’s a bad idea, as well as members of the European Parliament - everyone should be writing their representatives NOW. But that’s another issue entirely. :)

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        4 days ago

        don’t iphones delete your sideloaded apps against your will and along with your data, if you don’t use the ibstaller tool at once every week?

        if so that’s useless for anybody other than developers themselves who otherwise don’t even want to use their own app.

        • trainden@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          don’t iphones delete your sideloaded apps against your will and along with your data, if you don’t use the ibstaller tool at once every week?

          No? I have an iPhone in the EU and have several sideloaded apps. All still work and have all the data even after not using them for a while.

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          4 days ago

          I have no idea as I don’t follow apple much, but I am aware that they are constantly trying to find ways to avoid complying with EU law, and that it is often rapidly struck down.

          What you’re describing here is not a failure of the law, but Apple trying real hard to find creative ways not to comply with it. To me it only shows that they are desperate, and that EU law is in fact getting to them.

          If they keep at it it’ll eventually end up in court, the case will take a couple of years, and they’ll be slammed with a fine and asked to get their shit together.

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          Not unabated. They are stuck trying to find new loopholes to not comply, which are then struck down. It’s a cat and mouse game, and they think they can get away with it because they have the most expensive lawyers.

          Again, enforcement is the challenge, not the laws themselves.

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            3 days ago

            I’ve seen no such thing but maybe I’m just not paying close enough attention. They still have the same bullshit where third party stores still need to pay them 27%, and they still require Apple’s approval, which is almost nothing gained.

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              3 days ago

              Everything takes a long time, but things are happening. If you search for the terms “fine apple EU” or “fine apple EU” in your search engine of choice you’ll see there’s quite a lot going on.

              I have some personal friends who are working with this stuff for the European Commission. It basically takes a long time to build a case against tech giants, and then once the Commission fines them these fines will be appealed in the EU court system, which will take even more years to process.

              It’s annoying that there’s not a magic switch to flick to make Google and Apple comply with EU law, but that’s the world we live in. If the EU just banned Google and/or Apple it would probably backlash tremendously (never mind that I doubt they have the authority to do so even if they wanted), so they have to move a bit slowly. :)