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As long as there is colonialism there will be violent resistance. This violence as well as the initial violence of the colonizers is the fault of the colonizers.

I’m sure some innocent Germans were killed during WW2 by resistance fighters, but the reason it happened was because of the actions of Germany. Without the colonization, it would not have happened and if you focus on it to condemn the resistance fighters then people will correctly identify you as a nazi.

Like the nazis who make those arguments about WW2, you are attempting to justify your opposition to resistance and therefore your support of genocide.

Still an ableist, still a racist, Death to “Israel”, death to Europe, death to empire, death to colonialism, free Palestine.

Ignoring your inability to tell the difference between “death to a political entity” and “death to the entire population”, very funny that you think “death to empire” and “death to colonialism” are “genocidal”. Oh no, won’t someone think of the poor white people colonizing, stealing, and committing genocide?

free Palestine

At least in this we agree, I guess.

You can keep lying to yourself.

I asked you as a hypothetical. It was meant to verify the cause for your gross historical ignorance and genocidal tendencies.

lmao, weak deflection. You assumed I was “bad” because of a mental disability as a hypothetical. There’s a word for that, it’s “ableism”, the same as if you had hypothetically asked if I was the r-slur (because it means the same thing as an insult).

I’m not reading all that. Death to “Israel”, death to Europe, death to empire, death to colonialism, free Palestine.

You do that a lot, don’t you? Imagine things about people you disagree with and then assume they’re true.

I don’t need to imagine, you called me “a disabled person” as an insult. That’s exactly as bad as using the r-slur because it’s literally the same thing.

I’m imagining third parties? You just stated that Palestinians are Israelis, mate. To the Israelis (and their nation), Palestinians are the third party (and the other way around).

Shut up, lmao. I’m tired of dealing with your colonizer ignorance. Several people have explained to you several times how and why you are wrong and it’s clear that your racist condescending European colonial attitude makes it impossible for you to actually grasp the reality of colonialism and therefore the reality of “Israel”.

40 years ago you would have been crying about how “the Blacks” want to commit genocide against the white South Africans and denying that they were colonizers too. Before you cry about how you “didn’t say that”, that’s what’s called a “hypothetical”. It’s meant to demonstrate your gross racism in a way that’s easier for you to understand, because the two situations are the same but everyone today knows that the South African example would be obviously racist.

Hamas’ stated eradication of Israel = genocide.

Go read the 2017 charter instead of assuming the people you think are below you match the caricature you have of them in your head.

It’s extremely telling that you read this:

All violence in a settler colony, including the violence perpetrated by and against the colonizers, is the fault of the colonizers.

And concluded that it meant “every ‘Israeli’ who died deserved it”. It actually meant “some of them didn’t deserve to die, but their deaths are still the fault of ‘Israel’ because it’s a colonial project that cause this to happen”.

This conflict really brings out the worst in some people. On the one hand, they blame the murder of innocent people on colonialism, and on the other, on the alleged human shield tactic.

Yeah, it did happen because of colonialism. It’s also extremely telling that you present these statements as equivalent, as if “‘Israel’ is a settler colony” and “Hamas use human shields” are equally valid statements. The first is a very basic, correct analysis of the nature of the state, which the most important early zionists (such as Herzl and Ben Gurion) not only agreed with but were proud of. The second is a racist lie designed to try to excuse genocide.

“Israel” literally uses human shields, by the way. They have actually tied human beings to the front of their vehicles in the past.

I wouldn’t use the term “offended”… I think “amused” is better fitting, the same I would feel about a conflict in the “Kleingartenverein”

the german wants everyone to know how NOT MAD they are

You could use an instance that federates widely (such as lemmy.zip) if you want to be able to interact with as many communities as possible.

I’m sorry, are you a disabled person? Or did you forget the point you guys were trying to make?

Damn, I can really feel how tempted you were to use the r-slur there. Not surprising that a zionist and a colonialist would also be an ableist.

Your examples are advocating for my approach of punishing the leadership and giving the people a fresh start.

My examples are advocating for decolonization done by the people there (Palestinians). You’re the one imagining “third parties”.

All violence in a settler colony, including the violence perpetrated by and against the colonizers, is the fault of the colonizers.

They should kill the fucking IDF. But not kids at a music festival or random civilians.

You’re right, they should be given:

• advanced military technology and intelligence data
• ways to openly organize without being killed by Mossad, Shin Bet, and the IOF
• perfect control over every person who happens to pick up a gun during any of their operations

to make sure they can more efficiently kill only soldiers.

Since we’re wishing for things, I also wish every “Israeli” genocide supporter would just disappear without the resistance having to do anything.

What’s wrong with calling Hamas terrorists? They have randomly but deliberately killed innocent people. How else would you describe that?

• You, calling the resistance to zionism “terrorists”.

Please continue to call us “tankies” for saying things like “resistance to genocide is good”. I’m not joking, you’re doing free propaganda for us “tankies”.

Which countries have partitioned and taken over the land of Rhodesia

Zimbabwe.

and South Africa?

Post-apartheid South Africa.

You can show me on the map.

As I said:

Excuse me if I’m not concerned with a zionist’s opinion

Oh, my apologies. It’s totally better if you’re a different type of gentile genocide enjoyer lecturing a Jewish man about his own people in order to support a settler colony. /s

You’re not interested in humanity, you’re only interested in labels. It’s sad and evil.

Excuse me if I’m not concerned with a zionist’s opinion about “humanity”.

You’re a fundamentalist extremist and a hateful human. Be better.

Finnish genocide enjoyer lectures a Jewish man about how he’s hateful for objecting to his culture being used as a shield for colonialism. Almost reads like parody.

It’s like you don’t even read my comments, just default to “wah, wah, wah, you’re a colonialism denier, wah, wah, wah!”

I read your comments denying genocide, that’s why I reply by calling you a genocide denier. I have explained over and over, but you don’t believe colonialism is genocidal because you are a genocide denier. It seems you also don’t even believe colonialism is colonialism.

There’s no reason to continue this conversation in this context.

I agree, I’m not sure why I even bothered to reply to an obvious genocidal zionist for so long.

“Israel” is a colony because it was founded by European settlers who OPENLY proclaimed that fact. They gladly and openly bragged that they were displacing and massacring the native Palestinians to colonize the region. All your bullshit about “Israelis” “roaming” is historical revisionism meant to justify the Nakba, which is a genocide. Ashkenazim are Europeans.

Settler colonialism requires the displacement and elimination of at least the vast majority of the native population to succeed, it is genocidal by nature. You are a genocide supporter and a genocide denier.

Where did I deny colonialism? I acknowledge the fact that Israel is occupying (and colonising) the West Bank and Gaza, I firmly believe they should be pushed out and forced to pay reparations for the decades of stealing land and killing Palestinians.

You literally deny colonialism in the sentence after asking where you deny it. “Israel” is a settler colony in its entirety, not just in the West Bank and Gaza. Once again, Ben Gurion, who committed the Nakba, was very clear about this. So was Herzl, the main forefather of the “Israeli” state.

Israelis vs Israelites might come from language barrier. English is not my native language.

But saying they’re not native to the region when we have archaeological and historical evidence of them being there over 3000 years ago is either extreme ignorance, or fundamentalist extremism.

“Israelis” are the modern day settlers. “Israelites” are the ancient people. “Israelis” are not native to the region. They are mainly europeans, as well as Arab Jews from elsewhere in West Asia and North Africa. Palestinians are native to the region and are descendants of the Israelites who never left.

Explain to me, how are you not a proponent of genocide if you want to eliminate a nation?

Telling that you can’t separate a nation that was founded as a settler colony less than 80 years ago from its entire population.

So, it’s not about “Israelis vs Palestinians”, or wider, “Israelis vs Arabs”. It’s just literally about the establishment of Israel as a nation? That’s it?

It’s about colonialism, which is exactly “Israelis” (colonizers) vs. Palestinians (the native people). Again, people like Ben Gurion and Herzl were extremely open about this.

The only one here who is a proponent of genocide is you, because you support colonialism and colonialism is genocidal.