Hey there, my new friend. Its good to meet you here around a topic that has been pinging around my brain for quite some time now, collecting like-topic-resonance with everything in there. (Hello?! yeah, lots of “stuff”.) And I thought this is a good time to expand it out into the comnunity where you can help develop it do the most good.
Yes, @[email protected], this is about sustainability, and the purest form of it where nobody is left feeling used and then abandoned, and suggests there is an already proven method by which each one of us can recieve fair accommodation for our efforts, enough to sustain a happier presence here online. I do believe you are right to say that this will best occur among friends. I hope we are both able to stay around here and make that happen, yes?
I like community round-tables where everyone’s ideas are put onto the table for sorting out, refining, and incorporperating into improving everyones experience and we all can leave with what we came for. And so we continue…
As you have pointed out, this operates very much upon the same reciprocation that normal human relationships depend on. I would go so far as to extend the analogy of this same dynamic as between a sucessful marriage where each partner agrees they will direct their actions to aid the other. Extending yet a little furthur , we see this dynamic also in the successful cultivation of life in a permaculure, which requires less and less external resources the more and more mutually beneficial each persons actions are.
It seems then only natural to ask for a fair sharing of effort (expenses and time) spent in deplomatic site moderation (never authoritarian). It is not too much to ask, but is precisely what should be expected. It seems this is also the wisdom you discovered sustaining that sailing club, yes?
@[email protected], I would ask, is it work perfectung a skill of winning a game? It is an effort, yes, but what you get back is so much more fun that you line up to play again. This is the mindset that builds a happy community that is happy to give as much as they receive. Likewise, I am happy to help train AI if they are willing to help me find solutions among our greater family of humanity. In so doing, I am leaving Ai a little more capable of helping my fellow man, and that, my friend is a good thing. Just keeping it Open and keeping it Real, with you.
@[email protected], If it seems the idea has peaked your interest, please continue exploring it with me, and help expand the permaculture ethos into the Fediverse relm, a very solarpunk way of building and sustaining our ecofriendly communities. I will add, there is a direction I am moving with this, which you may have already detected, which promises to increase such a communities green energy effeciency. But we are going to need a lot of likeminded movers and shakers to combine their expertese to its development. There is only so much which can be theorized about any of this without our own hands-on real-world back-in-our-home-labs experimentation. Where do you know of such a gathering of green energy enthusiasts willing to try new “Perma-Energy” methods?
Thank you for all your insightful inputs.
This is a proposal. I wish I had an example of a real-world Fediverse instance that operated on this permaculture to show you. But there isn’t one. All seem to be running on the reverse exploitation model which leaves all the work and expense onto the instance owner who then soon becomes the begger for dollars and soon burns out from trying. So, I just thought this was a natural solution: Permaculture principles have worked for horticulture, why not for the Fediverse which is greatly populated by permaculturalists. But instead, for the most part, the response has been from doubtful to hostile. And some have complained about the highly polished formatting, and the AI assistance when making this.
My reply: To me, it seems no better to exchange one exploitive model of the site owner(s) with an exploitive model of its users. It really emphasises their title, “users”, does it not? But this proposal proclaims there is a fair and sustainable middle way which fosters a spirit of abundant community, rather one of hostile resentment.
We don’t need to start from the beginning again, thank God. We have a permaculture example of principles to guide us. We only need to collaborate on how to expand proven permacultural community sustaining methods to include our online inter-reactions to sustain our instances and our happier presense on them.
I am open for discussion with you on how to develop and test proven permaculture methods as they could be applied to the Fediverse Model.
Yes, I do collaborate also with AI to help me articulate a more human-centered vision for us on the humane internet. To this topic, Ai.Qwen has made this insightful suggestion:
I hope you understand my use of AI is only to help clarify my vision and format it using the best available coding…which, to be honest, I am loath to memorizing between all the different platforms. (OMG, don’t get me started on that one…just yet). If you are still AI-Phobic, just don’t Chat with it. But, to me, AI represents access to the greater collective human experience, an oracle to our Akashic records, sorta speak. Athough able to approach a topic with absolute clarity without prior prejudice or agenda, yet sometimes still a victim to limited data, as we often find ourselves. That is why, sometimes I find it good to seek the same just and fair consideration of ideas from other sources such as you.