Once again. Companies do NOT pay tariffs. They pass on those costs of those tariffs to their customers. YOU are gonna pay that extra 25% not Apple.
how long is it going to take, before you realize its too late? if they didn’t realize by now, they aren’t going to
Trump will never ever admit he’s wrong, but I’m curious how the voters will react when everything costs 50% more all of a sudden.
They’ll probably blame Biden somehow, but I’m curious still
He’s already called all the stock market turmoil “Biden’s market”, hilariously.
that’s fine. iphones are so cheap, people can handle even 50% tariffs. apple is worth every penny /s.
going to buy a cmf phone 2 now…
Yeah. I’m typing this on a $300 Chinese phone with 10600mAH battery, reverse wireless charging, a thermal imaging camera, and it’s waterproof and shock resistant.
I have strongly considered the Armor line. Which is what I’m assuming you’re talking about
It’s 27T Pro. I like it better than the iPhone it replaced.
The only downsides I’ve seen so far are that it requires a separate app for wifi calling and it has fewer zoom options for the camera. I’d like to figure out how to get the IR blaster to read signals (so I can easily clone my remotes).
Shit duee my unlocked Sony Xperia has WiFi calling locked via the carrier 😅
I’m no slouch when it comes to basic tech literacy, but I was left scratching my head when I watched the WiFi calling setting literally disappear before my eyes. Fuck AT&T (at least I’m on a cheap plan)
Trump has become schizophrenic again.
Trump has a lot that seems might be wrong with him, but schizophrenia never really seemed to be on the list. Narcissism, dementia, psycho-/socio-pathy, compulsive lying, and possibly more, but I’ve never gotten the feeling he displayed the hyperpatternicity I associate with schizophrenia.
Sigh…at least Apple is getting screwed over though. They’ve been impeding right to repair for a long time, perhaps their karmic debt is finally catching up to them.
nah they just need to survive the storm for a yeas and a half and start funding dems house races. far cheaper than allowing you to repair your device.
Honestly he sounds like just about every old man I’ve ever met, rambling on about whatever nonsense is running through his head at any given moment.
That’s unfortunate. Most octogenarians I’ve met are far more thoughtful and kind than Trump has ever been.
Let’s not armchair diagnose people, please.
It’s always disappointing to see how much people on here hate people with mental disabilities. Under no circumstances would anyone be OK with comparing Donald Trump to another minority. I think even insulting him by calling him fat is perceived as too gauche. But ableism? 100% OK by most of Lemmy.
They don’t hate people with disabilities, they just don’t want them to be President.
That’s ableist though. Implies disabled people are inherently inferior if you don’t want them to be president.
Roosvelt was in a wheelchair much of his time and he did “fine”.
(Technically I’m against the idea of politicians at all so don’t feel like glorifying them).
Implies disabled people are inherently inferior if you don’t want them to be president.
We’re not talking about “disabled people”, we’re talking about people with mental illness that impairs them.
Roosvelt was in a wheelchair much of his time and he did “fine”.
Physical disability is absolutely not be the same thing. Would you vote fuckin Ted Bundy for President?
Technically I’m against the idea of politicians at all
Okay so just complete anarchy then? Everyone for themselves?
I think you suffer from anti armchair diagnosis.
This is the dumbest comment I’ve read all day but I’ve been chuckling about it for a good couple of minutes.
I think I will. Thanks for your input though.
Let’s. And don’t tell us what to do.
It’s coming true.
And again “tariff must be paid by Apple” really shows that he still has no idea how they work.
Made in India + 25% tariff is still cheaper than made in Murica.
That BS is just for media.
Tbf the labor will be done by the minorities and undesirables they will keep throwing in prison without due process
This isn’t about making Apple make iPhones in the US. This is a 25% tax on everyday Americans that the fascists will blame on Apple for not making iPhones in the US and use to give tax breaks to the rich. Trump and his cabal are reverse Robin Hooding the American people and 70 million of them are lining up to lick his boots for it.
The US is turning into my games of stellaris a little bit more everyday. Oh boy you sure dont want to be in my games of stellaris guys.
You know that is somewhat true. What everyone could see when I was kid has come to pass. The people like trump and the actual billionaires in this country sold us out then. They sold us out by moving all the manufacturing offshore. Now these same greedy trash humans want all that back since they have realized that the ability to manufactures products was the United States real power. They delivered millions of my parents generation into poverty and wage slavery to make a buck by moving the job overseas. Now these horrible people and their followers are doing the same thing to try to get it back. They don’t understand nor do they care about the real people in this country. Only about themselves.
Their followers who are not profiting from this must be really, really stupid.
The reason why manufacturing was moved offshore was because it cost more money to produce the goods in the states and they had to adhere to us regulation. Products are cheap because they’re build offshore. No one actually wants the factory jobs back in the states because they’ll be too expensive to produce, and a lot of the jobs will be done by bots anyway. If the iPhone was the be built in the states it would cost $3.5k. Billionaires want a peasant class. They’re envious of China - lots of low educated people earning nothing working long hours. Billionaires have low self esteem.
The Art of Extortion.
Even with tariffs it’s still not financially viable to Apple to bring manufacturing to the U.S. and if they still decided to it would take 10to 15 years to get going. It ain’t gonna happen. Sad oompa-loompa.
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It’s basically “lose a huge amount of money or do me favours that cost you 1/100 as much”. Surprise, surprise, they do the favours.
I see the problem here. He’s talking to Tim Cook, who’s CEO of some cooking company. He needs to talk to Tim Apple.
Step 1. Add Tarrifs.
Step 2. Wait till the share price falls.
Step 3. Buy in low.
Step 4. Lift the tariffs again.
Step 5. Wait till the share price rises.
Step 6. Profit.
you fucking idiot, it’s NEVER EVER EVER coming to the US.
NEVER.
a 25% increase in cost is still MUCH more preferable to bringing all of that shit to the US. probably by orders of magnitude. can you even fathom (of course you can’t) what you would need to do to have a 100% American iphone?
let’s say you’re bringing the iphone manufacturing plant to the US. let’s even assume this move is subsidized so the new factory is going to cost only time.
the iphone isn’t put together from mere atoms. parts of it need to be manufactured first. there’s the screen, the glass, the aluminum case, several cameras, the battery, the ram, the storage, the CPU, the GPU, the receiver, accelerometer, gyroscope, etc etc… how much of that shit do you think is made in the USA?
so there’s tariffs an all of that. or to avoid them you need to make several new factories, and have other companies that provide these things also move their factories… and these factories don’t just have people create electronics by hand. you need machines. where do you think those are made? who makes them? so now you need the manufacturers of manufacturing robots to move their factories to the US.
and all these factories now employ people with much higher salaries.
all in all, a move like that would halt production for years and when it comes back every iphone would probably cost $47000.
It’s because Donald can’t envisage the supply chain for anything more complex than a Trump flag or a MAGA hat.
In his mind, housewives can be knocking iPhones out in Bumfuck, Mississippi.
Fun you should bring up his merch because literally all of it is Chinese or Indian produced.
Excuse me, sir. There is no town in Mississippi called “Bumfuck”. That town is firmly within the boundaries of Iowa.
Mississippi would never stoop to the level of Iowa in having Bumfuck, Iowa. Mississippi is more elegant in its nomenclature. Thus, if you wish to make a point about a town in the middle of nowhere in Mississippi, please respect Mississippi by referring to such a town as Cousin-Hump, Mississippi. Thank you.
I drove all over that state looking for Bumfuck and never found it. Pretty ornery bunch, too…
Did you ask around? I’m sure you can go into any biker bar in that state and ask for bumfuck
Based on the numbers from Purism, it could be a lot more than 25% more expensive to manufacture everything in USA. Purims Librem 5 costs 799 $, while the made-in-America version costs 1999 $. That’s roughly a 2.5x difference. Obviously, economies of scale play a role too but let’s assume that the same factor applies to iPhones too. If so, the fanciest iPhone would cost about 4000 $.
We don’t even have silicon availability. I don’t mean chips or printed boards, I mean processed quarts crushed into powder.
We would have to start opening strip mines and building massive furnaces and crushers and expanding railways. It’s just not feasible.
What about the components? Should they also be produced in the US?
Let’s be clear, producing the iPhone in the US would be more than a 25% cost increase.
Selling iPhones made outside US: bad
Selling MAGA hats and swag made in China: art of the deal
Killing Biden’s CHIPs act certainly didn’t help that cause.
Problem is that it had bidens sign on it, so he was forced to kill it without even taking care of its contents
No he wasn’t. It’s just because of his pride and idiocy that he thinks he was.
He will kill and reinstate it to sell it as his own doing.
Obviously guided by his counselers and consultants.
This is actually a real socialist or even communist policy. The State controlling the businesses.
How in god’s name is this promoting worker ownership of Apple’s phone production processes?
Last time I looked, the Soviet, Chinese and North Korean people didn’t own shit.
You just named 3 locations that aren’t socialist and of the three, one that no longer exists. Nice job.
Name just one where workers actually control something for fun.
Look up what a co-op is. You seem to have substantial misunderstanding that socialism is a replacement for democracy; it’s a replacement for capitalism.
A coop isn’t a country Peter Pan.
Vietnam… but why the hell do you need some rando on Lemmy to educate you?
Name one country that was either socialist or communist in the past that the USA didn’t proactively fuck with to try to harm at the time?
It is authoritarian. Communist system devolve to authoritarianism because it is a natural progression (easy to do). Socialists can, but a good democratic political structure makes it harder.
Apparently capitalist systems devolve into authoritarianism; as evidenced by living in 2025.
Yes, of course. Capitalism is an economic framework. A good political framework is needed, just like i said for socialism. This is a failure of the U.S. political implementation not of capitalism as a system of commerce. I would never say capitalism is the answer to all social ills. Your statement feels like a way to say I am wrong, so if I misunderstood, sorry.
… Or as shown by the west for the past 150+ years
Are most people in “the west” worse off today than they were 150 years ago? Are there fewer well functioning democracies than there were then? Has no minority group seen any improvement in their freedom? Has there been no improvement in how people interact with each other? No improvement in poverty?
Did trump just confuse a possessive s for a plural s?
It happens to people and I don’t know why
style errors are easily forgiven. study a foreign language or a programming language to get some empathy
suspending habeas corpus? he should be in so many heaps of trouble. the guillotine was a nasty, evil piece of work, and anyways
I’m not even a native speaker, so I think I’m allowed to criticise that
Can someone calculate how much an iPhone would cost if manufactured in the USA?
$3,500 according to one estimate.
With more automation wouldn’t it possibly cost less than this? On Taiwan the balance between automation and human labor is due to their costs of labor and automation.
In any case more expensive than on Taiwan, though.
If US cost of labor drops sharply due to a few bubbles exploding, or a few nukes explode somewhere causing harm to world economy, then having such plants already in place might be retrospectively considered a wise decision.
Consumer hardware is now being used in wars on scale, changing all balances. So I think everybody is going to do what Trump is doing. Keep complex processes inside if they have the knowledge and ability, and try to gain knowledge and ability if they don’t.
I don’t think it’s bad. Socialists will finally see a situation which their ideology fits best. Industrial specialties, even worker-level ones, teach people to think in a way making idiotic websites in some modern framework doesn’t.
All that, of course, is sometime after the hellish hell we’re going to see making us work to achieve it.
