AI was never meant to benefit the working class in any capacity.
Its a great rule of thumb that if you see oligarchs hype up something and push for it to be everywhere, its a BAD fucking thing.
this seems incredibly short sighted… the current situation exists because there is a large amount of infrastructure and data centres being built. once that infrastructure is built, the demand will return to normal… OR once the bubble bursts, the market will be flooded with used ram from failed data centres… aliexpress will be selling ram at a dollar a gig when all these data centres flop
The only people who believe in infinite growth in a finite world are mad men and economists.
As someone who does AI and gaming as hobbies, I look forward to a corporate bubble popping. Being able to max out an EPYC or Threadripper Pro’s DDR5 capacity would be awesome. :)
So their not shutting down, just focusing on AI idiots until the bubble busts and then they will turn back to consumers…
Rules of Acquisition #1,261-- Always fuck over the idiots in the market. And when you’ve taken all their money, go back to your base with inflated prices.
And with the AI bullshit, I’m reminded of Rule of Acquisition #82: The flimsier the product, the higher the price.
That’s a fast track to losing market share.
It’s a calculated risk. But I think they will be just fine when they turn back to their base consumers. And the consumers will welcome them back. Happens all the time. nVidia and crypto Hoe’s are the latest example.
Capitalism strikes again.
Fuck AI.
Guess when people ask me what ram do I need for X device I won’t be telling them to use crucial anymore to figure it out.
I just installed a 4TB nvme Crucial SSD in my new build solely to put games on.
I’m sure they will come crawling back to consumers after the AI bubble bursts.
Same here… I’m so glad I upgraded when I did… I did a panic upgrade last December… just look into a better GPU now
Business don’t care about consumers because nowadays business sell to other business
Nowadays? It’s always been the case. It’s far easier and less hassle to sell to or work for other businesses. I run an IT service company and I avoid residential work line the plague. It can sometimes make me more money, but over all it is horrible as opposed to work done for other companies.
I’ve talked with people in HVAC who have said the same. It’s much easier to provide a service to a business than random individuals.
However, this is different, as this is just a retail product. Micron doesn’t have to deal with the person who doesn’t pay after the job is done, or doesn’t lock their dog up because “he doesn’t bite, it will be fine” and it turns out to be an aggressive monster. This is just assembly line production that they already are set up to do.
I get that they have a limited number of inputs and they are just choosing to make as much money as possible. It sucks to see that go, though. Crucial has always been my go-to for RAM.
Well if you think about it this way there’s also less packaging involving b2b. You don’t have to sell to a middleman who then will resell it. You can just sell at the higher price point to start with and you can have a whole lot less packaging involved and then just provide it straight out to the company. You also selling both which gets you a larger amount at once so rather than having to stockpile and everything like that. There’s a whole lot of other factors that go in selling B2B for even a retail company as opposed to selling retail.
Yeah absolutely. It’s a very different experience. I was just pointing out that they are other different reasons to prefer not to do residential service calls that don’t apply to retail. There are a lot of extra steps for retail but it’s all an established process. The guys I talk to that have done service call work all have absolutely insane stories.
Shits wild the same ram I bought over a year ago is 400% more for half the amount of GB.
Yeah I love current RAM prices, running a memtest right now – 75k errors and counting. I’m really excited to go buy some more, can’t wait.
My 5-year-old mainboard only supports DDR4. I’m just looking to increase my RAM and have two free slots available. But even the prices of DDR4 sticks have increased 100%-200% compared to a year ago.
They are more affordable than DDR5 sticks to be sure but still crazy.
A decent chunk of that is due to DDR4 production shutting down. If you look to the past you can see that DDR3 prices rose a while after the introduction of DDR4 too. In fact it got more expensive than DDR4, before vanishing completely.
Another thing driving up prices is tariffs and trade restrictions - usually when the main players like Micron, SK Hynix, or Samsung want to stop selling certain chips (say, DRAM at a certain binned frequency), they sell to Chinese manufacturers who are willing to sell slightly lower quality NAND for a lower profit margin.
But that’s not happening - the Chinese companies aren’t buying up the machines like they used to, because a tariff could easily wipe out their margins. It’s not worth the risk.
Add AI to that (not that many are using DDR4), and it makes a bad situation worse.
The AI aspect may get better soon, but the top two won’t. I don’t think you’ll be able to get new DDR4 for a good price at any point going ahead. Your best bet is to buy used if you see a reasonable deal.
Good points. Looking at eBay, the sellers of used DDR4 seem to have caught on to the price increases and are asking for the same unpleasant prices. I guess the best time to buy more RAM was a year ago and the second best time for it is now.
My 6 year old build had ram in it (2x16) that was going end of life a few years ago so I bought the same pair again before it did. I’ll be good for a while, glad I made the move when I did.
Oh man
!Technological Implosion imminent, please stand clear!
Since nobody can afford memory, this means mainboards and cases will get cheaper, right?
Or… we could learn to code software so the average mouse driver doesn’t require a gig of free RAM, 10 gigs of swap space, and 15 CPU cores?
Just a thought.
The mouse driver is already part of the OS in Window and Linux.
That shit you complain about is the Adverts Delivery & Private Data Capture application.
I believe that was implied
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I mean i agree, but how does this help me building an affordable gaming rig?
affordable gaming rig?
Those words don’t usually come together…
Not anymore.
They did when I built one in 2017 that I’m still gaming on today (with a RAM and NVMe upgrade)
Xfce already exists
Bought two 32GB DDR5 RAM Sticks at the start of the year, and turns out that was the best investment of this year.
Great. What SSDs are worth buying then? Kioxia? Solidigm? Never going to buy WD, Samsung is on my shit list too but if there’s no other options left…
edit: just read that solidigm also exited the consumer business at the start of the 2025, amazing
Samsung is in my shitlist for their horrible shady business with their smartphones, but even tho I want to never buy anything Samsung again I still think their m.2 SSDs are really good, did something happen with that division that showed it’s also shitty? I want to know and hate even more on Samsung
Story why I hate Samsung (was too long to put in the middle): bought a s21 fe thinking I’m getting a snapdragon processor, they hid never mentioned anywhere in the page that this specific model has their piece of shit exynos processor that literally struggles to run anything, overheats if it isn’t on battery saving mode and goes through the battery like it’s on sale
Samsung SSDs seem fine, I actually use one of the cheap SATA ones as a boot drive, but they had a firmware bug a while ago that destroyed 990 and 980 pro NVMe SSDs. And I dislike Samsung in general so I’d rather not buy from them if I can avoid it.
I see, that’s very good to know!! Thank you!!
For a second I thought Micron was an insult for Macron.
